Elliot Moss
That was Tony Bennett and Lady Gaga with I Get a Kick Out of You. Welcome to Jazz Shapers with me, Elliot Moss, bringing the shapers of the business world together with the musicians shaping jazz, soul and blues. My guest today is Dhruvin Patel, Optometrist and Founder of Ocushield, the medically rated screen protectors that filter out harmful blue light. On a work placement during his optometry degree, Dhruvin heard about a lens coating for glasses that could reduce eye strain caused by blue light. Intrigued, he began researching the mass market problems, he says, of how digital screens affect our eyes, our skin and our sleep cycles. When his idea for a screen protector won a University competition, Dhruvin was able to develop his first prototype, securing over a thousand pre-orders and confirming for him the real world need. Ocushield was launched in 2015 from the bedroom of his parents’ Croydon home and despite a successful Dragons’ Den pitch, prompting a £75,000 offer for 15% of the company, Dhruvin chose to walk away from the deal and we’ll find out shortly why. Ocushield now distributes its glasses, screen protectors and desk lamps globally and last year they raised £910,000 to grow their product line and improve eye health worldwide. We’ll be chatting to Dhruvin imminently. And the music in today’s Jazz Shapers comes from Nina Simone, Antonio Adolfo, Kurt Elling and here’s Candi Staton with Evidence.
Candi Staton with Evidence. Dhruvin Patel is my Business Shaper, he’s the Founder of Ocushield, they stop bad things happening to your eyes and it’s a serious point because the world is full of devices. It’s lovely to have you here. Tell me, Dhruvin, this idea that you had way back, was it one of those I’m gonna do this and it’s just going to happen or was it a that’s interesting and I’ll have a look into it? You know, how serious were you at the time, if you can remember?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, I mean, I remember it vividly. I think, for me, it was, it was keeping me up at night and I was like right, this is a real world problem, the research I’ve done shows that artificial blue light from screens is affecting our eyes and sleep, two massive problems and selfishly, I wanted a solution for myself because I didn’t wear glasses so I couldn’t adopt the technology at the time for myself, so I said actually, why don’t I create something that I can use and hopefully, other people will want to do the same. You know I was very much so, forget the market research, forget the business plan, let’s create a product and if it works then we’ll figure the rest out.
Elliot Moss
And being an optometrist, and I have a few friends in that world, did that, I mean it sounds ridiculous but was there enough technical qualification under the bonnet of that to go away and then design a product or did it take a lot more expertise, outside of your own mind?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, so I was in my first/second year of University, so I wasn’t even an optometrist at that time when I had that idea, so it was very a man on a mission to find out what I needed to do and I learned everything from the aspects of what I needed to manufacture from the specification etcetera, just kind of doing it one domino after the other and I was quite fortunate because when you are at University, you are in a very unique landscape where you have people that can help from different aspects, you know different industries. You’ve got people studying computer science, you’ve got people studying product design, you know all that jazz, so you can really leverage the network at University, which I did, you know I, I spoke to the faculty and lecturers and University, I said, ‘hey, this is what I want to create, can you give me some insight into the optics behind this material’ and you know I remember a lecturer, his name is Steve Gruppetta, who was my optics lecturer, but we were hanging out in the lab trying to create you know a specification for the product we needed and another example is, you know, utilising a friend that was doing computer science to set up the first website and you know you kind of just, you just got along and figured things out and there’s not really a template on what you should follow, you just work it out in the end.
Elliot Moss
I remember reading out James Dyson and he used to do scribbles, I mean lots of scribbles, he’s got a famous black notebook, I happen to know, apparently, and lots of these scribbles and all the prototypes that he then did and he did I mean hundreds before the first one actually got patented and then he made it. Was that you as well? Were you scribbling? Was it you showing people and going look, here’s a, here’s a line drawing, does that make sense?
Dhruvin Patel
In one way, yeah, I was doing less drawing, I was doing more like pulling apart materials because for me, what I had to figure out was, how do I put a type of pigment and a coating into a material. So, I was working with numerous plastics and metals and trying, and glass, you know, in a liquid form and trying to figure out how I can make them work and how do those materials sit together and sit in a form that works for consumers and doesn’t affect their health.
Elliot Moss
And in terms of that very first prototype when you go, oh, hold on a minute, this might work. Just go back there in your head, what was the feeling like?
Dhruvin Patel
It was bittersweet, you are kind of like oh, I’ve done it, now what? And then the penny drops, I was like right, so there’s one thing creating a product and then it’s like alright so what do I do to get people to, to, to buy it or want it and you are like right, now the real hard work starts.
Elliot Moss
Find out much more about what happened when the real hard work started. My Business Shaper today is Dhruvin Patel, Founder of Ocushield and yes, going beyond that moment of eureka is, is interesting but it definitely isn’t the end of the journey. Time for some more music right now, this is Antonio Adolfo with Cascavel.
Antonio Adolfo with Cascavel. Dhruvin Patel is my Business Shaper, Founder of Ocushield, the clever device that stops the blue light that emanates from devices doing bad things to you. I mentioned Dragons’ Den when we, when we started and you know it’s one of those programmes which brings business to the masses, obviously, and you were in there. You, as I said, got two offers from I think it was Tej and Peter, Peter Jones, and then you walked away from it. At what point did you decide to walk away from it and why?
Dhruvin Patel
So, we went into the Den in September 2020. They record it about eight to twelve months before it actually goes live and Peter and Tej, we managed to negotiate them both to invest in the business but they both had their own offers but we thought we want both of them because Tej brings a health credibility, Peter’s a tech titan. So yeah, you come out the den, you know next week you’re getting emails from Peter and Tej’s representatives and funnily enough, we didn’t, we didn’t really hear anything for a few weeks and we were like okay, this is a bit strange, and then Peter’s team come back and said look, we’ve had a, a legal shift around, we’ve kind of lost our legal counsel and we don’t have the band width to create a shareholders agreement so, we said okay, so we waited and it got to January, so we finally got a shareholders agreement and we were like great, let’s review this, we read it in depth and the terms were, let’s say onerous, I think for someone that’s starting a business, you want investors that are quite aligned to what you want to do and there were some really bad terms in there which, which you know as someone starting a business and your team as well doesn’t protect you, I know they wanted to protect themselves because they’re public figures, and rightly so, anyway we negotiated for another three months, so it got to six months, so it was March and we looked at our business and our business had grown five times since we went in the Den and we said, look guys, we really like you, we really want you to be a part of the journey and the business but the business has grown so we can’t accept that valuation and you know one Friday night, I sent an email and kind of just said, we need to renegotiate this and if you can’t then we’re going to have to walk away, so yeah, I sent the email and they said look we can’t do anything outside of the Den because it sets a precedent for everyone else thinking they can do that after the Den so, yeah, I had to make that tough call and part ways and yeah, then what happened afterwards, I mean, yeah, it was a blessing in disguise actually because, yeah, we ended up raising a million pounds from private investors and giving away less of the business, so it was a good turn of events because, yeah, if we took that money from the Dragons, I don’t think our private investors would have come on board because of all the clauses and whatever else they have in those agreements.
Elliot Moss
You say it very calmly, I mean you talk to me like a person that’s been in business for twenty years. Did that maturity, I mean did you grow through that process or was this, were you always kind of quite sort of focussed, without getting emotional?
Dhruvin Patel
It comes with time, you know, the journey of an entrepreneur or businessman or whatever you want to call it, I think no one has the answers so, the beauty for me is, I get to get up every day and learn something new and do something new but I make mistakes, which is fine, which I’ve kind of come accustomed to and accepted but I think the Dragons’ Den experience was one of those that you look back and you think, right, if I can get in front of five Dragons and in the back of my head, this is going to get broadcast to millions of people, so even if I slip up, if I, if I trip, if the business gets ripped to shreds, not only me personally but the business can be affected, knowing that, that might happen and you go in with that and you build that sort of resilience that you’re not going to care and you’re going to pitch and go in and do it, I think coming away from that and being successful, I think gives me so much confidence that whatever I do, I can take energy from that and say, you know what, it’s not going to be as scary as that because that was pretty scary. Like, I was, I was bricking it and you know going in there, I was like, wow, like what’s, all sorts of anxiety, right, but yeah, now, now I’ve been able to complete that, I can take, take that experience and use it as a positive.
Elliot Moss
Stay with me for much more from my Business Shaper, it’s Dhruvin Patel, fabulously articulate about the experience in Dragons’ Den and post it. He’s the Founder of Ocushield, he’ll be back in a couple of minutes. Right now, we’re going to hear a taster from the Mishcon Innovation series, which can be found on all the major podcast platforms. Natasha Knight invites business founders to share their industry insights and practical advice for those of you thinking about getting into an industry and starting your very own thing. In this clip, focussing on the health and wellness industries, we hear from Ruby Raut, CEO and Co-Founder of WUKA, the UK’s first eco-friendly period underwear brand.
All our former Business Shapers are available for your delectation on the Jazz Shapers podcast and you can hear this very programme again if you pop Jazz Shapers into your podcast platform of choice. My guest today is Dhruvin Patel, Optometrist and Founder of Ocushield, the medically rated screen protectors that filter out harmful blue light. So, you said the business has grown five fold since that moment in the Den, where are you now and what’s driving the success?
Dhruvin Patel
So, Ocushield as a business, you know starting from my bedroom at University, we’ve, we’ve grown a long way, I remember those years where we were doing I guess £50,000 revenue in a year, now we’re doing £2 million so it’s quite a big increase for someone that, you know, when you start this journey, you don’t really know where you’re going. As I said, I didn’t create a business plan, I kind of rolled with the punches as I went along.
Elliot Moss
Have you got one now?
Dhruvin Patel
What’s that?
Elliot Moss
A business plan.
Dhruvin Patel
Now, now I do yeah.
Elliot Moss
What’s that? It’s one of those things but actually, I mean joking aside, is it that useful, if you’ve kind of got clarity on what you want to do, I suppose you’ve got to have something written down?
Dhruvin Patel
I think when you, when you begin, you can be very messy and you learn, you learn as you go along and it’s different for different types of business. If you’re a bootstrapping business, you don’t need it. If you’re raising private investment and capital, you need a plan because you’re taking other people’s money and you know that’s why we’ve got a business plan now as well, you know, I think for one it helps when you grow the business, you’ve got different people in different areas, which you need to be able to have a strategy and this is our overarching goals and you know these are the big wins we want and then you have the smaller bits underneath that, that help with those bigger wins.
Elliot Moss
And sorry, so, yes, what I’m saying now, what’s driving the success? What, why are you at £2 million a year?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, so, in terms of the business, we have now diversified in what we do so, you know our three main sales channels are our website, Amazon and then retail and B2B. We’ve very much sort of focussed on being kind of the leading provider when it comes to eyes. We started in the blue light kind of niche but now we want to exist, we exist to let eyes thrive, effectively, and what we’re doing now is we’re broadening our products such as an eye mask, eye supplements and the visual screening software to allow people to test their eyes in under seven minutes from their screen and we want to take on the bigger problems that come with your eyes because, you know, everyone values their eyes but they don’t think about them until they’ve got a problem but if you look at research to them, one the most valued sense we have, if everyone was to answer, they’d lose their eyesight the last out of anything else. So, we want to empower people to be preventative rather than find a cure when they need it and that’s what our mission is going to be moving forward but what’s worked for us is just sticking, sticking to what we know, which is eye care.
Elliot Moss
And I love that because obviously it’s a much bigger proposition than selling a shield which protects your eyes, it’s now going back up, as you said, to the higher order piece, which is, which is eye protection. But that means essentially, Dhruvin, I mean you’ve got, there’s a panoply of opportunity here, across all the different things that you might develop, how does one then decide from a product development perspective, what your priorities are because you could go, well it could be this, it could be that, I mean where does that begin and how do you quantify it, the opportunities?
Dhruvin Patel
For us, we always ask the customer, you know we’ve customers that are responsive and say right, what do you want next? Here are things we think are going to work, can you resonate, would you purchase, would you exchange money for it? And we let that dictate where we want to go for 75% of things we do. The other 25% is, we take a bet. It’s like that Henry Ford quote where they say, you know, if you asked people what they wanted, they would say faster horses, not cars, and it’s you kind of take a punt on what you want to create with your knowledge because in business you learn things as you go and you pick up on things that customers want and yeah, one example is like our visual screening software, you know we work with some employers and we’ve realised that actually, in organisations only 10% of the workforce usually get their eyes tested and the reason for it is three things. One is they have to book it, two they have to spend an hour out of their day to go there and get their eyes tested and third is, patient anxiety, you know you might get a weirdo optometrist and you’re in a room with them for thirty minutes so, how do we change that so everyone can get access to finding out about their eyes and we’re saying well, our customers don’t really care about that because they’re, it’s not a consumer product, it comes from you know organisations, employees, DSE, whatever else but it’s more of a B2B play where we’ve worked with one or two of our employers and said hey, would you, would you like this and then we kind of build it and then see what happens.
Elliot Moss
Stay with me for much more from my Business Shaper, it’s Dhruvin Patel, Founder of Ocushield and talking about a bigger missions, which is around helping eyes thrive, which I think is a really natty way of putting it. Time for some more music right now, it’s Nina Simone with I Want a Little Sugar in My Bowl.
That was Nina Simone with I Want a Little Sugar in My Bowl. Dhruvin Patel is my Business Shaper here on Jazz Shapers and we’re talking about Ocushield, about life being a bit messy at the beginning and then having external investors. Now that you have external investors, now that you are growing, does the sense of responsibility change or is it still all about how Dhruvin reports to Dhruvin every day?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, totally. I mean, now I’ve got more things to worry about, you know, not just myself, you’ve got a team but you’ve also got, you’ve taken these investors’ money, you check in with them quite regularly, you want to report good things, right, you don’t want to report oh this hasn’t gone too well, you have a inner, you know, need for yourself to want to bring positive news so, yeah, you know, you want to look after them and allow them to tell their networks and their friends that hey, I’ve invested in this awesome business and it’s doing fantastically well so, yeah, that’s always on the back of my mind, you know, it’s how can I deliver for the business as well as investors now because they are an extension of the business, you know, they are part of the brand so, yeah, I feel like I’ve a duty of care to deliver for them.
Elliot Moss
And that duty of care, that responsibility, and you were talking before about you had this thing that you wanted to fix, where does your family fit into all this because I know mum and dad came from India and so you’re a first, first generation Indian, British Indian obviously, where does all that connect up, if it does at all, has it influenced who you are as a, as a person and as a business person?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, totally, I mean the reason why I have always wanted to get into business is you know my parents were working class, you know my mum worked at Tesco, dad at Allied Carpets and I thought when we were all grown up, I don’t know if it was because they were Gujarati but all they did was work and then take us to a Butlins or a Pontins or a you know abroad every other year and I was like, you know, I want to be able to provide back to them to allow them to do new experiences because all they did was focus on me and my brother and you know they pushed us into you know professions like healthcare for example, you know it’s the typical brown parent thing, it’s like yep, do any healthcare, legal, anything that you know, anything that’s safe.
Elliot Moss
A profession.
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Elliot Moss
Profession. Very important.
Dhruvin Patel
And you know for me, I loved biology and product design and business and optometry was one of those where you could expand, you know, as an optometrist you can open up a optician store etc so I’ve always had that kind of want to do something in business and yeah, I think the, you know stars aligned with, with Ocushield and I kind of embarked on the journey to say right, can I create something bigger than me, can I serve others because when I test eyes, I only test ten or twenty patients a day but with this business, I can protect so many eyes, you know hundreds a day which has a greater impact and then how can I help my parents and you know doing that and the one thing I picked up from them was that being frugal really helps in business as well. I think even when taking investors’ money, I appreciate it so much, I’m not there spending like woo hoo, we’ve got lots of money, you know let’s, we’ve got really you know sense check how we’re spending that, those funds.
Elliot Moss
And how do the family feel about Dhruvin Patel and Ocushield?
Dhruvin Patel
I think now, after they saw me on Dragons’ Den, they are like okay, he knows what he’s doing now, I think. They pretty much didn’t get it, I mean they were like, “What’s this business?” “What do you do?” Like, “Blue light?” Okay, we don’t, you know it kind of goes over their head so I think it’s funny, when they speak to their friends, I think initially they were just saying I was doing something in marketing or something like you know but now I think that they’ve grasped, I’ve kind of honed it in on them to say right, this is what the business is about, you know, and explained a little bit more, yeah.
Elliot Moss
And do you find though, despite obviously their business work backgrounds were very different to yours, do you ask them questions? I mean, are they people that you would go to and say what about, what about? Or is too much, is too removed?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, too removed, unfortunately, you know for… bless them, they’re, they like to watch Bollywood movies and eat good food and you know do nice things but yeah, when I discuss anything business related, I mean it’s a, it’s a bit like speaking to your friends as well, you know you can’t, there’s, I think with business challenges and growing businesses, I think only, the only people that can generally relate to those is people that have started business.
Elliot Moss
And is that where you go, Dhruvin, when you want a bit of advice or a sounding board?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, exactly. You know, initially you might speak to your friends but there’s not much they can say, you know. If you’ve, you know, feedback-wise, you know I always say go to people that are six to twelve months ahead of you, let’s say in business because they’re going to give you the actionable advice, you know there’s, it would be great to have Richard Branson as a mentor but actually, he’s so far away from you, you know he’s dealing with space, he’s not going to be able to help with how do we sell into a retailer or something, I mean, he’ll give some advice but you need to have someone that’s done it recently, in and now, to give you that best actionable advice.
Elliot Moss
Final chat coming up with my guest today, that’s Dhruvin Patel, and there’s a classic from Kurt Elling, that’s in just a minute, please don’t go anywhere.
Kurt Elling there with Stepping Out. Dhruvin Patel is my Business Shaper just for a few more minutes. We’ve been talking about all sorts of things on this journey that you are on, seven years in now, I guess since you founded the business. We’re in difficult market conditions, investors are going to be watching every pound that they invest, there’s inflation, there’s pressures on everybody, pressures on cost and therefore margin and so on and so forth. Talk to me about how you view the next few years and how, thinking about how you survive the next few years, what happens at the end of that piece that will enable you to then really ramp up this business and get to like £100 million of sales? Because I’m sure that’s where you want to go but there are two bits to it, aren’t there? And tell me a little bit about how your mind is working, how you are thinking about approaching those two slightly different phases of your growth, going forward?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, so, Ocushield has been a digital first business, and what I mean by that is we’ve focussed on acquiring customers online. Since the IOS 14 changes last summer, it’s been incredibly difficult to target and acquire customers at the same cost it was previously and then this year, from January 2022, what happened is all the retailers that were offline have now got their online operations ready so they are now spending more online. So, what we’re seeing is, the cost to advertise online has become massively inflated. So, for brands like us where we could acquire a customer for let’s say £15, it’s now £30 or £40, so double. So, you can’t really keep doing that because it’s not sustainable. We’ve always been a business where we’ve been profitable and want it to be that way, we don’t want to just burn cash to get vanity metrics and revenue, that’s not been our business model. So, what we’re doing now is, saying well hey, we’ve got to diversify business, 40% is on Amazon, that’s actually working really well for us, how do we go deeper on that channel and then secondly, is retailers and employers so, we’ve just launched in John Lewis recently, in stores and online, and we’re working with a few others in the pipeline as well as employers and we’re saying actually, well this activity in this segment, we can also work on and build the business in this channel. So, it’s kind of being able to turn off some sales channels and then push the others to build the brand in this, you know I guess year or so of uncertainty with the recession looming and then afterwards you have a business that is still, you know one of the main goals post-recession is to be alive as a business, right, because a lot of businesses will in our industry, in online, will go under because of the cost of acquisition. So, one is to stay alive and the second is to be able to build that brand equity so when the markets do change into a bull market, as I like to call it, we are ready to say right, these are our learnings, these are our new products, these are sort of customers who we can sell all our new products to and start growing aggressively again.
Elliot Moss
Are you by nature a scrapper? I mean, it sounds like you are up, you haven’t described this in negative terms but there’s stuff to do, right, this is a, this is choppy. Are you quite enjoying these challenges, secretly, Dhruvin? Would you prefer that to it being plain sailing and the graph goes from bottom left to top right in terms of growth?
Dhruvin Patel
Well, it’s really interesting because I was enjoying that and then the graph starts flatlining and you’re saying what’s happening here and actually, it’s, you know, I said this to the team, I said you know what, in these moments you actually find out so much more about what’s working and what’s not because when things are all going well, you kind of know what’s going on but you don’t actually and then when things, when you’ve got to put some work in and things aren’t working out for you, as they were before, you really crystalize what, what activities we’re doing are causing a result or reward so, for us as a team it’s been really beneficial to say right, let’s hone in what is the focus areas and that’s a blessing sometimes and I think we spoke on it off air but you know, in these times it’s much better to be able to hone in and focus on these elements than just doing lots of activity and hoping for the best.
Elliot Moss
And emotionally, is that a cool place for you to be? It doesn’t, it doesn’t stress you out immeasurably that you have to be like this?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, I mean…
Elliot Moss
Honesty time, Dhruvin.
Dhruvin Patel
I mean, there’s been times, I mean business is a very stressful you know I guess occupation but it’s privileged, right, you know there’s, I’m privileged to be a business owner, right, it’s you know there’s a lot more worse things that I could be doing but I think from my perspective, because I’ve been in it for five to seven years now, I’ve booched?23.45 up the business to our first £100,000 in revenue and then started taking capital from outside. I’ve, I’ve created my life so that, you know what, if things didn’t work out, I can go and test eyes. You know, I have that safety blanket. Again, I’m privileged, right, so in the back of my head I’m saying I can go all out, I can take these risks and I can keep learning but at the end of the day, if it doesn’t work out, I will go and test eyes and I have that safety net, I have a family, I have a home to go to and that’s the approach I take, you know and that means I can sleep well at night, you know I don’t stay up at night and I think there’s a famous saying you know, if you can get to sleep fast enough, you have no problems, your life is good.
Elliot Moss
It’s a kind of ‘chalta hai’ attitude, which is I think Hindi for like, it is what it is, right?
Dhruvin Patel
Yeah, yeah.
Elliot Moss
You seem very relaxed. Great to chat to you, I’ve really enjoyed it today and I hope you have too but you don’t have to say you have, if you haven’t, of course. Just before I let you go, what’s your song choice and why have you chosen it?
Dhruvin Patel
My song choice is Lich bodge, well that’s the artist, and it’s, the song is called Feel Free. When you listen to this, you get an element of freedom, effectively. You know, you’re, you get transported to an area of you know nature, that’s what comes to mind when I listen to this and I very much listen to my jazz when I’m working, it keeps me grounded, it keeps me focussed. But yeah, that’s my song of choice.
Elliot Moss
That was Lich Bodge, I hope I’ve pronounced that properly, with Feel Free, the song choice of my Business Shaper today, Dhruvin Patel. Honestly, he said, “No one has the answers,” that’s the joy of being an entrepreneur and he said also, “I make mistakes.” He also talked about the lack of a business plan, he said it can be messy at the beginning and actually, as you go along. He talked about the importance for him of being frugal and how that’s critical to ensuring things don’t get out of control, specifically costs. And finally, that lovely point about his own background, his own family and that sense that he has of a duty of care to his business and to the people that work for him and indeed to his consumers. All great stuff.
You can hear my conversation with Dhruvin all over again whenever you would like to as a podcast, just search Jazz Shapers or you can ask your smart speaker to play Jazz Shapers. Alternatively, if you are up with the larks Monday morning, you can catch this programme again just before the Jazz FM Breakfast at 5.00am. We are back next Saturday with my next guest, Jonathan Holmes, Founder and CEO of LuxDeco, the luxury interiors platform. Up next after the news at 10.00, Nigel Williams has great music, interviews and live sessions in the mix too. That’s it from me and Jazz Shapers, have a lovely weekend.
You can hear our conversation with Dhruvin all over again, whenever you would like to, as a podcast, just search Jazz Shapers or you can ask your smart speaker to play Jazz Shapers. We are back next Saturday with my next guest, Jonathan Holmes, Founder and CEO of LuxDeco, the luxury interiors platform. The Jazz FM Breakfast is up next with Nigel Williams. Have a great week. I’ll see you on Saturday.
On this Saturday’s Jazz Shapers I’m joined by the Optometrist and Founder of Ocushield, the medically rated screen protectors that filter out harmful blue light. Dhruvin Patel is my guest. I am Elliot Moss and I will have more of that alongside the music of the shapers of jazz, soul and blues this weekend.
On this Saturday’s Jazz Shapers we heard from Dhruvin Patel, Optometrist and Founder of Ocushield, the medically rated screen protectors that filter out harmful blue light. That programme is now available for you to listen to again as a podcast and through your smart speaker, just search or ask for Jazz Shapers or you can hear it again nice and early Monday morning, 5.00am.
Welcome to Jazz Shapers with me Elliot Moss bringing the shapers of the business world together with the musicians shaping jazz, soul and blues. My guest today is Dhruvin Patel, Optometrist and Founder of Ocushield, the medically rated screen protectors that filter out harmful blue light.